Морской паспорт, требуют ли бумагу от судовладельца сейчас?

[Sundrive]

Подскажите, кто недавно получал морской паспорт в полиции. Требуют ли бумагу от судовладельца сейчас?
Раньше требовали, а теперь прочитал на сайте полиции такое:

Meremehe teenistusraamat antakse valja meremeeste registrisse kantud kehtiva ohutusalase koolituse tunnistuse ning kehtiva meremehe tervisetoendi andmete alusel, mida PPA saab kontrollida automaatselt.

Kui meremeeste registris vastavad andmed puuduvad, tuleb esitada tooandja kinnitus, et tootate voi asute toole voi praktikale laevale.

[Sundrive]

ps. про биржу труда знаю

[klmn]

If you have all your documents in the system https://meremees.transpordiamet.ee/ then PPA will get all information from there and no need other proof. Otherwise proof of letter from employer.

[Sundrive]

да. написано так. а в реальной жизни?

[klmn]

 Question was if somebody has done it lately. As i did it lately then i replied - so thats the reality.

[Sundrive]

ok. so they did not ask you for the paper from the company then?

[Sundrive]

the reason I am asking, veetedeamet&police had always their own set of rules and interpretations, different from stcw and required some additional papers, from what was written on their webpage.
fox example, I still cannot find on their website the list of vessel flags they accept yo apply for a seamans book. once I brought them paper from the marchal isl. vessel, and they said it is not on their "approved list"

[klmn]

Let`s say bureaucracy as well as laws for Estonian seaman are not well assambled, explained etc
Too many parties involved and not so many seafarers involved once rules/regulations were created.

For example I had my doubts while applying for Estonian seafarers discharge book - is this meant for all Estonians or is it meant only for persons who work under Estonian flag?

Anyways:
1. Go to PPA, make a photo, paperwork with customer service
2. PPA will check the validity of your seagoing documents (they will contact Transpordiamet - meremeeste diplomeeriminse osakond)
3. If all are ok then they will issue new seamans passport. If some issues with your documents etc then PPA will ask paper from company.

[Sundrive]

ok, will try. if they did not ask you for the paper from your company, maybe they really changed the rules rescently. cause I was told 1 year ago they were still asking for the paper

[klmn]

First they asked, but i didn’t have any paper. Then they proposed that they will check  Transpordiamet. Their checking gave an error. Again paper from company was requested. So I was actually giving up already. I checked myself with Transpordiamet and the answer was that all docs ok, so I gave to this PPA person contact details of Transpordiamet person and after some days my seaman's book arrived. Not very smooth, but still positive result.
Good luck!

[Sundrive]

chesas chraist :(

thank you, will try.
tried 2 years ago to upload docs to transpordiamet new system, failed, was full of "unknown errors"  :'(

[klmn]

By the way I didn’t  upload anything myself. It was already earlier done by Transpordiamet.

[Kerfut]

I still cannot find on their website the list of vessel flags they accept yo apply for a seamans book. once I brought them paper from the marchal isl. vessel, and they said it is not on their "approved list"

Список флагов есть в PPA.

[Sundrive]

где то он очень глубоко зарыт

[GrossWeight]

Сижу в компании других толстых береговых клерков, пьем алкоголь, обсуждаем покупку Изей Теслы, решили полистать болтиксимен. 

https://www.hcch.net/en/instruments/conventions/authorities1/?cid=41

Не об этом ли списке Гаагской Конференции ведется речь?
Тогда политика чиновников понятна: флаг не из списка стран или выдан не тем не так - заверяй документ. 

Вот для Батуми, к примеру:

https://www.hcch.net/en/states/authorities/details3/?aid=700

Вот для Либерии:

https://www.hcch.net/en/states/authorities/details3/?aid=370

PS Завтра Изя обещал на Тесле нас прокатить, если погода будет.